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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 01:40:24 PM »
I had been thinking about this. And there was a light, strong light:D The most profitable product (or rather source of cash) will be.... Utopia Planitia Shipyard (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Utopia_Planitia_Fleet_Yards) (I know, I know, Warp is SF). Why? Mars have very thin and dilute atmosphere (lowest costs for orbit-surface transportation), lowest then Earth dV for escape from martian orbit, lowest dV for fly to asteroids, Jupiter, Saturn and beyond (damn, it's looks like NASA's Vision for Space Exploration and Constellation Program:D) - lighter ships because of less fuel is needed - lowest cost. We have right now technology for this (modular ships, stations, on-board devices). We currently have no one orbital shipyard only because of cash;] Even ISS was redesigned due to lack of cash (no Power and Science Platform module, no inflatable habitats, two or three other modules).
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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2010, 05:51:34 AM »
the gravity well of mars is still too steep really to transport materials or ships up... Maybe if demios or phobos were mined... I am kinda thinking the moon would be the most likely though.. Just enough gravity a human could work, gravity and atmosphere light enough a ship could be built there and sent into a low orbit without a massive expenditure of fuel by comparison.   Could probably even get one into orbit with a simple LIM track.



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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2010, 05:11:24 PM »
That would be the way to go...

But for MCO,. we wouldnt have to be so rigid in the possibilty of it will work, a convining backstory or explanation would be good enougth for most players..

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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2010, 12:55:55 PM »
By the time mars will be explored for profit, the asteroid-belt mining colonies will be fully-developed.
Asteroid mining-bases will need quick and cheap source of food, water, air and simple parts.
All of this will most propably be brought from mars since asteroid belt is practicly mars backyard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining - Asteroid mining
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_the_asteroids - Colonization of the asteroids

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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2010, 06:43:10 PM »
How about tourism? Those guys who pay millions of $, €, ... just to fly over and look at some dusty rocks  :P
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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2010, 07:27:14 PM »
Would need a cheap method of escaping earths gravity well in order to have tourism on another planet.
Maybe we can do it....
Maybe...

My gut tells me "Unlikely"

I just don't think things like the commercial "space" ships will scale up enough to get to anything more than an orbit or two of earth, and probably not break out of the atmosphere.



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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2010, 11:13:44 AM »
Well since the USA made a goal back in early 60's with the Push from JFK and we landed on the moon with plans to go to Mars back then and further. There were plans for a permanent space station and base on the moon back then. After all the great achievements of the spin off technologies because of the race to the moon we all are enjoying them today; But the USA has lost it's resolve for the space plan and program. So many people lack the ability to grasp the importance of space technologies in our everyday life. What I learned during the 1960's race to the moon is that the American People when presented with hard pressed goals of great achievements they will respond and push the development of needed technologies. With out the push to spur on the intense research and development with a country backed economy for the advancement of goals Nothing will be accomplished towards the main Goal. Therefore there will be no spin off technologies for the benefit of the country or world. Our most recent president said and I quote " been there done that don't need to do it again". This shows his ignorance weakness and lack of vision which has been prevalent since the ending of our effective space program in the 70's. Our legislators suffer the same problem as the present president. Unfortunately the majority of the people in the USA share the same problems as the president and their legislators. I have heard year after decade after decade about the earthly problems and how the space program eats up too much money and that the money needs spent for humanity. Shallow thinking like that stops all of us from experiencing the advancement of mankind.
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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2010, 01:39:48 PM »
Agreed.  But it will not change...

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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2010, 11:46:43 AM »
I think the world needs a goal like advanced space exploration right now,..
It seems to me that a Mars mission or simular involving 'all' countrys would bring things back to focus, it would be a fraction of the cost of the wars that are being waged..

When I was a about 10 I truly belived that you be able to visit the moon (like a holiday) by the time I retired... Cant see that for 100 years at this rate right now :(

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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2010, 03:10:37 AM »
Neither can I, but at this state the only way the entire world would get behind a project to go to space would be if we had conclusive evidence the sun was expanding and about to nova.  We would need firestorms along the equator before anyone would still do anything.


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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2010, 03:26:39 PM »
nice !

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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2010, 11:02:40 PM »
Neither can I, but at this state the only way the entire world would get behind a project to go to space would be if we had conclusive evidence the sun was expanding and about to nova.  We would need firestorms along the equator before anyone would still do anything.



I believe you are right! :)
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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2010, 11:05:52 PM »
Agreed.  But it will not change...

As someone told me once. "You can not fix stupid."



Unfortunately you are right. It is a sad reality.:)
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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2010, 06:36:32 AM »
Over population and dwindling resources dictate expand or die. Simple as that. I don't think it's improbable that Mars could become an industrial complex, and it would be for profit because if governments are politically motivated to keep the money at home, then its up to the larger corporations to make the push and they only seem to work when money is on the cards.

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Re: Profit from Mars? - discussion
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2010, 11:22:18 AM »
Well, disputing about profits and even colonization of Mars, there is two more possibilities.
1. Like Australia, Mars will be a penal colony, but some day their children will be just free Martians, like Australians today.
2. Peoples, enticed by vision of wealth, will start buying one way tickets to Mars. And some day, when science will develop new, fast and low-cost drive, peoples will start to flying to Mars and back, like today we are flying from Kraków to NY by cheap airlines.
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